Curse

seeker monk · Jun 04, 2005, 05:11 AM // 05:11

people want unlimited (not happening due to great idea by guildwars)
some beg for 10 (i understand.. you are carrying rez signet and wished you brought that other move because those guys really suck)

i beg for more.. you guys beg me to shut the hell up.. i mean tell me..

ok...

8 primary skill slots
8 profession skill slots
ring signet slots

/while i'm at it... an elite spell for each profession you have mastered

now don't get too hasty with the replies...
hear me out!

the primary skill slots involve the things needed
(which aren't in existance as of yet)
which keep you alive when things are getting tight and you need to buy some time to accumulate some mana/adrenaline...

primary moves include...
duck (dodge the next sword melee attack)
sprint/run (something all people should have and not just warrior)
dodge (dodge projectile attack)
elite dodge (blah blah blah)
so forth and so on, etc.

you get my point
these help you outside of your profession in the every day world
all of these cost either nothing or adrenaline
(which should be implemented on all classes for now on..)

ADRENALINE BASED MAGIC!!!!
if warriors have to wait 10 seconds to deal 70 dmg
how come elementalists can deal 200 dmg in 2 seconds

how do they get the necessary mental capacity to spit out super duper fire flames out their hands instantanously without getting mentally prepared for such a feat...
(don't get upset yet.. such adrenal/ magical essence PREP spells will be implemented to speed you up like always, but not just instant flame ON JOHNNY TORCH!)

so now... higher level MAGIC MOVES ARE ADRENAL BASED
and SIGNETS must now "BE BURNING" with energy for use
that means, like the magic ring of power or sting that detects the trolls
these magical items must burn with energy before you can use them
they burn due to dmg, success or failure in a fight, much like adrenaline

RING SLOTS
the ring slots are away from the basic 8/8
depending on your class, you can wear 1, 2, or even 4 rings at once

in PVE, you may put on a ring to use it...
such as a victorious celebration dance of resurrecting your allies because you were the only survivor... or perhaps resurrection scrolls which are carried in the inventory (can only be used when not in combat)

PROFESSION SLOTS
like always, profession slots are reserved for the things that make you that unique little snowflake of evil..

same as before... no need to explain
THIS GIVES YOU SPELL CASTERS +8 more spells to mix it up a little ***see below
and US WARRIORS 6-8 more moves to attack with

no longer will warriors have to sacrifice savage slash against monk
for pure strike against ranger
or seeking blade against warrior in a stance
final thrust and galrath can be together without forgetting the ever useful healing signet ring...

resurrection ring will always be there people!
BUT WILL THE NEWBIE USE IT????

hey... you mesmers and mages can finally break out RUST...
and KEYSTONE SIGNET... hahaha

in conclusion,
this new system is benificial to all
this helps everyone dodge and move like warriors and rangers, monks enjoy!

this also helps warriors the most because wasting slots on mobility and rez rings, and healing rings were the things that kept the warrior from actually having more than 3-4 moves dedicated only to swordfighting... meanwhile a monk has 8 moves dedicated to his profession.. that of healing and taking care of the party... all across the board, things will equal out...

warriors will be more deadly again
people can run/dodge from warriors instead of just throwing up
DEFEAT ALL SPELLS such as diversion, zealot fire/boon, symbol of wrath, etc

which will now require adrenaline (or be personally modified so that they are moves and not exploits in a NEATO unlimited life mana and dmg trick)

THANK YOU... teh end.

***primary moves could be magical PREPS like "prepared mind", "prediction"
and of course those glyphs which give you more energy/power

your profession is the actual casting of fireball, firestorm, etc

modru2004 · Jun 04, 2005, 07:31 AM // 07:31

this would completely change the mechanics of the game. ain't gonna happen. ain't all bad ideas, just it would be a completely different game and things would have to be changed other than just teh way skills are used to accomodate this.

dargon · Jun 04, 2005, 08:20 AM // 08:20

Not to mention that more than 1 elite, even if only 1 from each class, and you're open for some real nasty combos, such as Order of the Vampire + Barrage, there's a good 100pt heal right there if done right and would generally more than make up for the 17% sacrifice you make to use OotV. I'm certain there are quite a few others that would be sickening.

Burem · Jun 04, 2005, 08:23 AM // 08:23

How about we leave the skill system the way it is since it works well and supports strategy instead of spamming all 3000 skills you get?

Gs-Cyan Bloodbane · Jun 04, 2005, 08:39 AM // 08:39

I still think the allusion someone made magic is valid. You have all these cards(skills) to chose from that do all sorts of stuff, some singularly powerful other even more so in conjuction. but you can only have so many cards in your deck(slots). Its up to you to create the best deck you can with the cards you have. some decks are more able to take on certain decks then others. Some are designed to take out specific types. There is no ultimate deck as there is always a design to take it out.

zman_acura · Jun 04, 2005, 04:09 PM // 16:09

if they add it it will probably be in the next expansion. They will give people what they want but since their is no monthly fee they will release it with expansions which cost money.

Why would they relase stuff people wanted and then have an expansion with only land expansion and nothing else. If they did less people would be interested but with stuff people want in it that equals more buyers.

DrSLUGFly · Jun 04, 2005, 05:03 PM // 17:03

I need sleep and so I"m sorry I didn't read all of your ideas, will tomorrow. But aren't signets rings? Why can't we equip our fingers?

DarrenJasper · Jun 04, 2005, 05:06 PM // 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burem

How about we leave the skill system the way it is since it works well and supports strategy instead of spamming all 3000 skills you get?

Quoted for truth

seeker monk · Jun 04, 2005, 09:44 PM // 21:44

well.. i like the replies i got...

OK... my typing/communications skills are bad.. .so you really didn't get what i was saying... (because you are ALL talking about the fear of mega combos)

I DON'T LIKE MEGA COMBOS
but i also don't like mesmer shutdown my skills (those puny 3 that i managed to bring)
monk shut down my regular non skilled warrior attack
ranger shutdown my mobility so i can't even get there in the first place

THE PRIMARY SKILL BAR - the top 8... has all of your mobility and physical prowess
these skills pseudo/don't exist yet...

can i get a DND nerd please??? these are basically your saving throws (performed before hand like a stance/enchantment)
duck (do this to avoid the next slashing attack)
dodge (do this to avoid the next projectile)
twist (do this to avoid the next piercing attack)
jump (do this to avoid the next knockdown)
weapon prep (do this to get your weapon dmg/rate up)
mind prep (do this to get your energy/health value up)
shout (do this to get your friendlies all ready for battle or retreat)
prayer (do this to take care of yourself/get gods to take care of you)

THE PROFESSION SKILL BAR is your attacks
you all know that stuff already so i won't waste my words
but now... all 8 are attacks... instead of 4-5 being attacks... 2-3 being preps... rez signet

BUT keep in mind we are seperating QUICK LOW END ATTACKS/SPELLS
and then HIGH END "ADRENALINE" BASED MAGIC/PHYSICAL ATTACKS

THE ULTIMATE MEGA COMBOS are removed because YOU NEED ADRENALINE TO PERFORM HIGH END MAGICAL AS WELL AS PHYSICAL FEATS - hundred blades/pheonix/heal area/well of power/deadly shot/mantra of ultimate asswhoopings... all of these super duper spells are NOT instantaneous... because you NEED ADRENALINE... CONCENTRATION.. WHATEVER...

ELITE SPELLS - you may mix offering of blood with some awesome spell
martyr with plague signet...
unlimited great combos... but since elites are made more elite
normal spells are made more applicable to the game (some of which are still not)
more spells are made to negate the ULTIMATE UNDEFEATABLES...
more attributes are rounded out to everyone... (this stuff was not explained and cannot until the process is INITIATED...tested... finalized... )

THE SIGNETS - are seperate... anyone can bring a HEAL SIGNET..
anyone can bring a BANE... RESURRECTION... so on and so forth

Flame · Jun 04, 2005, 09:54 PM // 21:54

Hey, why not have a button, for example, left click, that uses all your skills instantly without requiring energy or any other payments, and applies it to all targets within twelve-thousand kilometers?

Elite skills are elite because you can only have one. Therefore, that section of the idea is void. Most classes don't have enough Signets to fill a bar of eight. That too is pointless. Most Monks don't attack, so why should they be required to just to use Heal Area, or any other Monk spell? Having those "Primary skills" would render a number of already available skills, such as Dodge, Sprint, and a number of Warrior skills pertaining to blocking the next attack, such as Riposte, useless.

There is a reason you only have eight skill slots. Because then you have to decide what's best. If a Mesmer keeps shutting you down, bring interrupts. But that means the rest of your team is going to have to make up for your lack of damage. Or get your own Mesmer.

In any case, if we had all those skill bars, how do you propose we use them? 1-8 for regular skills, you're out of keys. Unless you want to use the number pad. Hey, why not just do Ctrl, Alt, or Shift, so that when you're trying to type you end up using Blood is Power and kill yourself, or instead of calling a target with a skill, you use something completely different.

seeker monk · Jun 04, 2005, 10:01 PM // 22:01

THIS MESSAGE IS TO BUREM AND PEOPLE WHO THINK LIKE HIM

i don't dislike you... but here's the message

its not strategy
its plain rape...

uh... mister A is a warrior...
mister B is a mesmer...

mister B casts diversion... mister A does nothing or loses everything
mister B casts drain energy... if mister A choses to do anything he can't because he has no energy... and no adrenaline because oh yeah i can steal your adrenaline too
mistre B casts arcane mimicry which is not an elite spell... he steals mister A's elite spell.. so that one thing that was gonna save mister A's ass... is now gone... and mister B uses it on mister A... hahahahah i win....

now the masterstroke... mister B casts IW...
and deals more dmg than mister A could anyways with a real weapon...

ok... that's just mesmer

now lets try ranger vs warrior
(we are not saying warrior/monk or ranger/mesmer or any kind of combo.. we are talking base classes...)

first ranger sets about 3 traps on his side of the map and CAMPS LIKE A PUSSY
second ranger does pin down if warrior is fool hardy enough to go over there
so warrior walks his gimpy ass over to ranger... only to be quadruple quadrapeligic
ranger shoots poison arrows which drain warrior's life
and distraction shot whenever warrior trys to do healing signet
when warrior trys to stop ranger from doing healing spring with distracting slash
warrior notices that the ranger is in a stance and dodging
((i forgot.. i mean.. didn't have room to bring any of those good attacks that don't break "ranger" stances anyways... perhaps they only break warrior stances))
ranger gains his life back... warrior dies a horrible death from poison which in diablo he was immune to anyways... but heaven forbid we think that way.. cuz i ****ing hate diablo with a passion...

BTW expertise says distraction shot is faster and more efficient than slash

ranger might have a pet...
ranger might do some other mean moves... we don't know

ok... hmmmm monk
monk says i heal and you don't hurt me
or monk says.. i do that new UNLIMITED MANA/HEALTH/DMG SMITING COMBO THAT IS FLOATING AROUND THE GAME LAND... plz don't fix that exploit people...

ok... necro loses because necro sucks BIG TIME...
he might win.. .but no he won't...

elementalist can win if he's good...

that is the conclusion of my beautiful arguement

seeker monk · Jun 04, 2005, 10:06 PM // 22:06

THIS MESSAGE IS TO FLAME...

you didn't ****ing read my post

8 SKILLS ARE DODGES, MOBILITY
8 SKILLS ARE ATTACKS /obviously healing for monk
THE SIGNETS CAN BE USED BY ANYONE...

THE SKILLS ARE CLICKED ON WITH A MOUSE....

HEAL AREA IS A MEGA SPELL... THAT HEALS FOR 200 LIFE //PHEONIX is it's opposite
it requires CONCENTRATION or ADRENALINE... on top of the energy cost
(i'm saying you spell casters have to start waiting for your "FINAL THRUST" spell to BUILD UP instead of just showing up with 70 mana and raping the shit out of the opposing team)

meanwhile... FINAL THRUST... i cannot do... because i am dead...

YOU WIN THE ARGUEMENT

Flame · Jun 04, 2005, 10:30 PM // 22:30

So, where do you propose to put 24 or more skills in the game window?

Why should an Elementalist have to wait to use Phoenix, then wait for it to recharge, then wait to use it again? That's the point of the recharge time, so they cannot spam it.

A Warriors against a Ranger, the Warrior could win. A Warrior against a Mesmer, the Warrior could win. A Warrior against a Monk, the Warrior could win. Why? Because the game depends on player skill. If the Ranger is hiding in the corner, the Warrior can just wait for the traps to disappear. If he tries to reset him, the Warrior can hit him once with a bow and interrupt him. If he uses Lightning Reflexes, use Cyclone Axe. Mesmer has no armor compared to a Warrior, so if a Warrior got close, they can just Hamstring and keep hitting. If they fight with a Monk, they never take damage, and use a Disrupting Chop or Hammer Bash to prevent healing.

Of course everything has a way to get away from Warriors for a little while. Because Warriors have the highest armor under normal circumstances, do the highest damage under normal circumstances, and have brutal skills that anyone who isn't prepared will surely succumb to.

But you're still missing the most important point. This is a team game. There is no Warrior versus Ranger, because the Warrior has a Monk backing him up, and an Elementalist casting Meteor at that very moment. The game is fine the way it is.

seeker monk · Jun 04, 2005, 10:36 PM // 22:36

this arguement is mainly about the signets
the 8bar can stay the way it is
but I DON'T WANT TO HEAR...
OMFG... YOU DIDN'T BRING REZ SIGNET... YOU SUCK WARRIOR!
and i'd like to have my healing signet too

phoenix of course no longer needs a recharge time
due to the fact... that it is ADRENALINE/CONCENTRATION based

please keep in mind flame...
i am not really attacking you and your beliefs that 8bar is good
i AGREE that i shouldn't HAVE EVERYTHING...

everything can be assorted and alligned for EQUALITY or whatever...
but the warrior BASE class NEEDS TO BE UNSHACKLED!

if monk can hold 3 enchantments on himself
then warrior should be able to do sprint stance, deflect arrows stance, and hide behind shield so that the HYPNOTIC GAZE OF MESMER doesn't get MAKE HIM TAKE HIS PANTS OFF AND DO THE NEKKID HUSSLE... stance... ALL AT THE SAME TIME...

so i've redirected my arguement

I WANT TO HAVE 3 STANCES AT ONE TIME
oh and i have gladiator defenses incase you attack me

seeker monk · Jun 04, 2005, 10:38 PM // 22:38

FLAME SAYS: you can't have 3 stances... all together... <altogether, because you are good at english>
but i can have 3 hexes... on you.... and 3 enchantment boons on me

and i can perform THE L33T COMBO ALL DAY LONG

Sadye X · Jun 04, 2005, 10:43 PM // 22:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by seeker monk

ADRENALINE BASED MAGIC!!!!
if warriors have to wait 10 seconds to deal 70 dmg
how come elementalists can deal 200 dmg in 2 seconds

Casters already have this system in place ~ it's called energy cost per cast + recast timers ( sometimes health sacrifices etc as well )

I'm not going to discredit all the ideas you'd presented, but I would like to simply point out that GW is a game based on balance ~ try and always keep in mind that there's ( typically ) 7 other names listed there in the party window ... that *your* characer isn't meant to be able to do everything within the skills they have at all times, but rather work with your party members to achieve a common goal ( winning )

seeker monk · Jun 04, 2005, 10:53 PM // 22:53

WHAT I'M TRYING TO ESTABLISH...
is that my character does not exist

my monk is fine, word of healing... turn near dead ally into 75% life ally for 5 mana

my warrior is pathetic.... do nothing... die

WARRIORS... ARE THE KINGS OF MELEE...
UNTIL THIS IS ESTABLISHED and you guys don't get to get away with AVOIDING MELEE altogether... oh.. healing seed... you deal life instead of death.. hahahahaha...
oh.... price of failure... you miss and take dmg... hahahahaha... oh... empathy... you feel sorry for hurting me... hahahahahahah..... and the ranger of course... doesn't even meet my warrior in melee... because... well i'm ****ing dead...

oh yeah my team sucks and they don't rez... get a better team... no... i'd like to kill you... JUST LIKE MEL GIBSON DID... **** the bruce!

SO... every class can bring 1 skill which disables warriors and 7 skills which they can DO any thing with... help out a buddy... heal a friend.... kill a warrior... smoke some bowls... drink some buds... party on d00d..

warriors CAN die...
to reply to your reply... THE GAME IS NOT BASED ON BALANCE.

seeker monk · Jun 04, 2005, 10:55 PM // 22:55

i was rather rude.. wasn't i?
BANNED!

DarrenJasper · Jun 04, 2005, 11:04 PM // 23:04

You don't seem to understand the mechanics of PvP. You have 3-7 teammates with you, correct? If a mesmer is locking you down, that is all they are doing, and a smart team will coordinate to bring them down and thus free you up. Mesmers have the weakest armor in the game, did you know that?

seeker monk · Jun 04, 2005, 11:08 PM // 23:08

you see...

i use the skill "IGNORANCE IS BLISS" and i don't know anything about empathy..
then i use the skill "NEANDERTHAL HEAVEN" and i don't take energy drain
then i use the skill "LOST AN EYE IN 'NAM" and i don't see your illusionary weaponry
then i use the skill "NO PAIN NO GAIN" and i gain 100 life every time you hurt me...

then i use the skill "KISS MY ASS... CUZ I"M SO BADASS.."

/dance
does the john travolta dance...